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Old 07-18-2020, 06:04 PM
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My advise to you would be (not that you asked for any):

Buy a halfway decent gun. Primer guns are cheap, less then $100. Top and clear gun $250 or a little less. Top coat gun can also be used with a single stage paint.

The farm store enamels are too soft and take to long to cure. You really want to go with an Acrylic Urethane.

Paint: These cars are small enough that you can buy decent paint and you will be very happy you did. 3 to 4 qts sprayable is enough paint.

Single stage paints are pretty good if you stay with a solid color. Anything metallic you need to go base coat clear coat. I'd even go base clear with a solid color. I'm not a fan of metallics.

2k Primer in a high build formula if your body is not real flat. Regular 2k if you have already done some blocking.

Using a decent paint is very forgiving. You can always work out drips etc and go back over your work if you need to. Farm store enamels can be a nightmare. They are great for the chassis, not so much for the body.


Primer: $175 1 gal kit.

Single stage Acrylic Urethane $100

Base coat $100

Clear coat $200

Reducer $75

Satin Black Single Stage 2 qts $ 100

1 Gal wash quality thinner $20

Misc supplies $100

You don't have to be a great painter. You just have to be a good wet sander and buffer to get a high quality job.

For about $1000.00 You can do a pretty damn nice paint job and in the end you will still have your guns.
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Old 07-19-2020, 09:25 AM
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I went to my local auto paint supplier before running around to the body shops and they were quoting me $800 just for a gallon of paint, reducer and catalyst. another $600 for clear coat. add even more $$ for epoxy sealer and primer and satin black. ugh... it adds up fast (still cheaper than House of Kolor...they ballparked me around $10k in materials a few years back! lol)

also add in the $$ to drape my shop walls and ceiling in plastic, build a filter fan box for a window/door, and rig up a face mask with hose for a fresh air supply (no lungs full of carcinogens please!). Even going "cheap" is gonna add up fast...

not many places around me to buy paint either. O'Reilly, NAPA and AutoZone are everywhere, but the only paint they sell are factory touchup colors in small overpriced cans or little pens.

The paint I'm looking at is VanSickle Acrylic Enamel with hardener.
https://www.vansicklepaint.com/produ...mance-ag-fleet
Less than $50/gallon. They sell a clear coat too.

I'll probably go with Light Ford Gray. I'd consider Flint Grey Metallic, but not sure if *I* (or my experienced brother whom I am trying to convince to come stay and spray) should try spraying a metallic on my first attempt at painting. Plus, I'd need to see a larger sample area of the color than just the cap on the spray can.
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Old 07-20-2020, 08:22 AM
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On one hand you are talking about $25 per gallon at the farm store or on the other hand $800 per gallon for paint you will waste the majority of. There are lots of choices in between.

First of all you will not need a gallon of paint. Yes maybe a gallon of sprayable material since you haven't painted before, but that means you only need half of that in paint. Most paints are 1:1. So half of that is reducer.

$600 for clear? You are not Chip Foose painting a car for SEMA. For a car that will spend the majority of its life in a garage being protected from the elements, even $300 a gallon is a lot. You can get a good quality clear for less then $200 a gallon. If the car was going to be sitting in the sun all day every day, I'd say spend more, but for a garage car, its more then enough.

Remember, you said you couldn't see spending all that money just to cover $500 worth of amateur body work. So why would you even consider buying a few thousand dollars for materials, that A- You are not experienced enough to use, and B- To cover questionable body work that may shrink and spoil the paint job later.

I'd say if you had to drive an hour to get to a paint supplier where you can save a couple of thousand bucks, it would be time well spent.

I'm sure the body shops in your area have a local supplier for reasonably priced paints that you just haven't discovered yet. Keep searching.

Van Sickle Acrylic Enamel is fine if you are painting your lawn furniture or a tractor. Yes, you can get ok results on a car if you plan on waiting a few weeks to cure before a wet sand and buff. I'd still be cautious about going over fiberglass and fillers with oil based thinners. Just wait till you see how rubbery your plastic body starts to feel. Oil based enamels are better suited on metal, catalyzed urethane is much safer over plastic bodies.

Again, I know you didn't ask for advise, I just hate to see you do something you may later regret on such a cool project.

Either way, good luck and be sure to keep us all posted on your progress.
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Old 07-24-2020, 11:34 AM
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So, the last couple of body shops that said "we'll get back to you" have not gotten "back to me"...oh well...time to move on. I've done all the work on the car so far myself, so might as well finish the job.

After some searching online for Acrylic Urethane paint and finding mostly professional references, I was getting disgruntled, so I decided to search for leads on our favorite online store for Everything - Amazon! There I found AU by Eastwood and Speedokote. Eastwood? I've heard of them! And they sell both Satin Black and "Gasser Green" - a "heavy" metallic that is fairly similar to the Chevy Synergy Green pearl I wanted to use. And also a clear coat. BUT...only around $120 per gallon! now we're talking in my ballpark! lol

Also turns out that the paint is cheaper when purchased directly from the Eastwood website. And free shipping over $99 thru this weekend. So I plan to buy the Satin Black (paint/activator/reducer) and start there. Most of those are interior parts that aren't "obvious", so I can learn on them without feeling terrible if i get a few runs (except the louvers - I'll paint those last so they hopefully look the best).

I already have an HVLP gun that I bought a decade ago along with the epoxy primer/sealer and some 2k buildup primer. I'll use those before the black paint obviously.

Now I need to turn my shop into a paint booth. Plastic sheeting on the walls and ceiling. old box fan with furnace filters for a window exhaust. and a modified scuba mask with outside air hose for my lungs!

But first I have to go replace the microwave over the kitchen stove...it decided to crap out 5 seconds into my morning coffee...ugh...it's always SOMETHING!
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Old 07-24-2020, 10:29 PM
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Great to follow your progress. What size compressor? Good luck. I'm having mine painted locally. Space is a problem.
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Old 07-25-2020, 01:55 PM
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I have a 5hp 60 gallon upright compressor so air supply won't be a problem.
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Old 07-27-2020, 11:05 AM
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Sounds like you are well on the way with the paint. Interesting to see the differences in paints used between USA and EU where water based is 90% of paint used now. no need for serious masks, etc.


I just have a lot of plastic dust sheeting and a domestic 44cm fan. but it will be a while as I still have to finish my BMW hood and get her out of the 'shed', just a 'few runs' to attend to.


On the SS I hope to do a black flip flop but it seems the price is far greater than wrapping so might go that rout instead. but no point until I can afford the astronomical cost of registration here.
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Old 07-27-2020, 11:41 AM
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This weekend's project was part of "Prep for Painting" - build a vent fan.

I managed to build the whole thing out of scrap material and an old fan that is WAY too loud to use anywhere other than a shop. The frame has slots for five 16"x25"x1" pleated paper furnace filters. After a test fit in the window, I can attest that it sure does suck...a steady breeze thru my service door!



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Old 07-30-2020, 06:58 AM
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That's quite a construction you have there, certainly be enough filter surface.
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Replacing the microwave turned into some minor custom cabinetry work, so the weekend wasn't as productive as I'd hoped it to be. BUT, work is slow this week and the humidity is non-existent, so I'm using some vacation time to get the shop prepped for painting.

Sunday/Monday Funday: plastic sheeting!
FYI, 3.0 mil sheeting is WAY more than 6x harder to hang than 0.5 mil sheeting...grrrrr...


I'm also staring to buy some portable work stands for painting. At $18/each, they're affordable enough and I can probably sell them afterwards for $10/each on CL! Unfortunately, the two Harbor Freights near me are sold out and the next truck doesn't come in until Thursday.
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